The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. God will deal with him. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. None of those charges were looked into. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. It was a large elder board. I dont know how many people had heard of it. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. This is the passage. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. And this is when everything really started happening. Yeah. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. Yeah. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. Yes, it is. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . And this wasnt a one time thing. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. I hope you have a great day and God bless. 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And I want to help people lead the church well. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Hi. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. And I know its cost you personally. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I did not. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. That way youll never miss an episode. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And you got all of them. And I did it. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. But it was dark. And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. How do spot a safe pastorand can. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. Whats wrong with Visconti supporting Kari Lake or speaking out against abortion or transgenderism? Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. Im Julie Roys. That was you, wasnt it? To donate, click here. Okay thats what Gods word says. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? How does this relate to his view of women? And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? So what happened? . And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. You could tell where it was headed probably. They said no, for various reasons. And we were at a stalemate. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. And they are even beloved by God. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. I wish Id never done it. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. Jennifer Just saying a lot of vile things. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. This is James said what he said. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I had all the letters at that point. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. He was like he started appealing the process. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. Hes not qualified. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. The devil is at work. And, and the drama begins. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. So lets move on to these letters. What does the bible say about that? Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. "I was sitting in the back seat. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. Thats what the weight was. Great! And its to warn people, right? That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Harvest Bible Chapel Sues Former Members, Julie Roys for Defamation; Harvest Bible Chapel's chief information officer allegedly stole $270K; Harvest Bible Chapel to launch 'Freedom House' 90-day residential addiction recovery program ; James MacDonald Reflects on 30 Years in Ministry, #MeToo, Millennials and Future of Faith in the US . Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. Pastor James MacDonald. Ive listened to the entire recording. And thats got to be a heavy. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. Both are true. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. Is that an accurate representation? Thats thats a much harder relaunch. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. . It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. The Asbury Revival Is Over. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. 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My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. I pray for the man. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. And then he apologized. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. You dont know how I got ahold of them. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Hes a large imposing man. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. year. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Yet, Dan, you owned it. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. He would probably be wildly successful. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Im sad for his fall. And now think about this. Ill write a statement. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. Great! To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. (Proverbs 27:12). I wish I didnt. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. I acknowledge my sin to you. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. If you find yourself unaware of Very interesting discussion. I think of a few things Julie. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. 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