Thanks evangelical Christianity. You write a blog slamming evangelical Christians, and in that blog state if you disagree with someone you should approach them individually rather than publicly as in a blog. I hope Ive brought some clarity. Just my two cents. Even if you hate me for it. That is, as one man and one woman? There have been some good points in regards to personal and local church interaction and correction, and how media personalities whose influence is borderless can be, and should be accountable to Christians everywhere. Self justification can take many forms. It never says anything different then what he just said it does. After working with them through many meetings, lunches, and doing everything I could for over six months, they did exactly what you said in your article, they created their posses, spread rumors about me, my wife, and undermined the leadership of my entire staff. And God HATES divorce. By saying homosexual practice is not sin, it is a form of self-justification rather than Jesus-justification. Knowing how to respect and honour others is quickly fading from the memories of Western Christians, who live in small, disconnected bubbles of thought, belief, and practice and seem to feel ok with that. I thank God I am not a reformed sinner. I find many here lining up in a militaristic way about their faith. 15 If your brother sins, go and show him his fault when the two of you are alone. The festival welcomes and encourages artists from any discipline to join us in a week-long celebration of student-led performance. Thank you for sharing your story and heartache. Some tens of thousands of believers were martyred in 2016 and Jen Hatmaker is complaining about internet trolls and theological criticism. $99.99 + $51.77 shipping. I understand the point and process of biblical feedback. (Like you have pointed out, this isnt the first time something like this has gone down.) 20,804 Hoda Kotb's lengthy 'Today' show absence finally explained Does shaming those who speak up for the vulnerable bring people to the Loving and Forgiving God? And you know I respect you, right? I belong to a small Baptist denomination in Australia. So I ask, is not healthy religion a figment of the imagination? shebearsbecausesheiscalled , 06/14/2019. Hello! Even our own. And discribes a very good process. People read Frank Schaffer! I recommend Frank Schaffers books to everyone. I Corinthians 5:11-13 NKJV That seems nonsensical. What comes to mind is what God said when his people were sacrificing their children to Baal and Moloch: It never even entered my mind though He never gave the explicit command in the Law, Thou shall not sacrifice your children, we know its wrong. But He didnt. He was talking about divorce, and the only reason he was talking about it in the first place was because the religious leaders were trying to fuck with him JUST LIKE THEY ARE DOING TO JEN HATMAKER. Frankly, I cant believe we even are having a conversation about this. Im not trying to bait you or flame you or troll you or whatever. Look at this in context: Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? $99.99 + $18.10 shipping. so I guess that wouldnt be considered a sin. They believe that in order to be saved, you have to be baptizedits a requirement. The Body of Christ should do better than this! For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? He established the church with his then-wife, Jennifer Lynn Hatmaker, in 2008. Well, I must share. My understanding has always been that public sins are rebuked publicly, and private sins can be handled in the way you describe. The Gospel is good news but it cuts us all of us to the core. Brett Trap has it going on. Their main issue was they wanted to change the by-laws about the processing of hiring staff members. This isnt great, Mike, and soooo important. I know you will say, Well, thats Old Testament stuff. but the fact remains, God allowed it and at times commanded it. I give God thanks that I am now the VP of a non-profit organization, where each day is a place of healing, care, and love. Yes! During this time when many in the church are embracing a worldly view on sexuality and being influenced more by the opinions of the culture than by the Word of God, those who have the Word of God as a priority are genuinely concerned about syncretism in the church with Hollywood values and agenda. I think most people on the other side do not want to intentionally be mean or attacking. Im finding new eyes to see what it really means to follow the Messiah Jesus and it doesnt look like what I just experienced. If it is sin, theological self-justification is an affront to the cross. I dont know the answer, but Jesus was public in his condemnation plenty of times too. People forget about Jesus chasing people with a whip. But how about Jesus teaching, He who is without sin, cast the first stone? I do not support condescension, intentional divisiveness or mean spirited attacks. The Bible says that leaders are held to a stricter standard. She also said she attempted suicide. But I understand itI was one of those at one time, too. Or you dont believe its sin or are unsure, and you can practice theological justification that doesnt need the cross for this particular issue. Coitus is the passage of both parties through blood, the very biology of sex attesting to the covenant of what a marriage is. Are you who create these arguments so entrenched in your open orthodoxy unable to see the futility of a man-made salvation where there isnt such a thing as sin, and therefore no need for a Savior from sin? Yours just ignoring the facts otherwise. He gave one hard and fast litmus test: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. No, Jesus didnt specifically say armed robbery is wrong, but it harms your neighbor. Increasingly, 140 characters on twitter are used to express quite nuanced positions. Furthermore, if your kids didnt believe that, would you be deeply disturbed or kick them out of the house? Hey Monica Don;t throw us all under the bus ouch! Jesus didnt talk about sexually abusing children. There is nothing more frightening to a human being (and this time I say this from personal offline experience) than the sense that the community is turning on them. Maybe youre PCA, and if so, I would ask you how you justify the idea of salvation through grace alone when verses like Matthew 7:21, Romans 2:13, and James 2:24 show very clearly that works are a part of it. Im simply asking you to justify the parts of the Bible you either reinterpret or ignore altogether. Austin New Church in Austin, TX 78704 is Verified Clear LGBTQ Policy Hires: Yes Weddings: No Ordains: Yes Leadership: Women in Leadership Polcy Preaches: Yes Ordains: Yes Governance: Yes Senior Pastor: Yes Updated on Nov 19, 2019 Church Information Address 2701 South Lamar Boulevard Austin, TX 78704 Leadership Pastor: Jason Morriss Gender: Man LehrenDotCom. Other indicators include: I think what conservative evangelicals do to their brothers and sisters who come to different views to theirs is a clear mark of unhealthy religion. Maybe then they could have seen how badly they were treating someone that was faithfully guiding a congregation that loved him dearly. But those who are outside God judges. But to God? Original post: The Church is judgmentally and systematically abusing people within the Church for issues that are not central to the Gospel this needs to stop! Jen follows hard after Jesus and she will be okay, no matter what lables are given and what articles are written. If youre going to browbeat multiple people with one Bible passage in a public forum, seems like you should actually be quoting the right Scriptures. It certainly wasnt with venom, as has been seen in Hatmakers case. It sounds familiar because it is. But if a person is a reviler someone who is rude, denigrates others, makes fun of them or tries to make them look small then we should keep away. Thanks for the great submission Mike. If your deal is to call anyone with differing theological opinions a heretic Im not guessing its something I can change, but as a close friend of Jens I find a lot of this commentary nothing like the Jesus I love and serve alongside Jen. Perhaps it is partly because you spend your Christian celebrity capital to gripe about online comments. In your pursuit of eternal life, have you sold all your possessions and given them to the poor and if not, how do you justify that? Constricting.Simulating.Seekin One more question to you all who point fingers to those whose sin ( your word) is public, I want to ask- where is your contrition for shaming others? The bible is our guide, our toolbox for seeking a closer walk with him. Enlarging Life Samantha Beach Kiley is a writer and performer, and the creative arts pastor at Austin New Church in Austin, Texas. As someone mentioned earlier, child sexual abuse is not specifically mentioned in the Bible. Great question KB. Let them be consumed by it. As a pastor I realize that people in churches are now being taught the meaning of the Bible mainly on-line, through sermons, blogs, tv shows, and books, probably more than personal dialogue on Sunday mornings or in small groups, or over coffee with me or other leaders, whose ministries are disciple-making. I apologize for such a long post. Hey, Im not saying conservative evangelicalism is as bad as Jonestown, but I do know this: once the pack starts circling an identified victim theres very little stopping it. Actually it is addressed in much of scripture. Unity in Him Thats why you go first alone, then take a witness or two and finally tell the church. Hatmaker's father was a pastor and ran a family church. There are lots of examples in Scripture of people being baptized. His Identity My mind was changed BECAUSE of my seriousness of the Word, not in spite of it. Only He can tell us in our heart of hearts. But, unless you are without sin, who are any of us to be casting stones at a fellow sojourner in Christ? Same with the others mentioned in the article. They want to use their platform and were the bad guys if we dont disagree in a quiet, loving manner. That said, theres absolutely no need to try a person in the court of public opinion as they suss out their own responsibilities, sexual or otherwise, before God. But it feels more like an abusive home than a healthy one, a point also made in this blog. What is being said here is that for someone to say that God says that homosexuality is not a sin is in absolute and total error! Online. IN-PERSON | 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 ONLINE | Facebook or YouTube I'M NEW HERE. My plea to people is, just remember youre talking about a human being. If you think the person is sinning, that is something to engage privately. And just for reference, you cited Matthew 21:12 which you claimed to read again. 2 Brandon and Jennifer Hatmaker got married in 1993 Credit: Instagram Call off the attack dogs. A church plant in 2008, our church has been nomads in a myriad of locations in the South Austin area. I think most Christians would agree with that. If I am wrong on this issue, I am practicing a form of self-justification and teaching self-justification. Thank you, and god bless each and Evey one of you. It is a pattern of sin emanating from our wicked hearts. Wilshire Baptist Church, a Dallas-area congregation, voted in 2016 to extend full membership to homosexually active people, including leadership ordination and marriage officiation. Lets focus on how the devil is using each and everyone of us in order to win good people over to his side. 00:38. Its not what you say but when and how you communicate it. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you, so that at the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. I know that my Jesus has chosen and includes me. And in a case where these well-known teachers, who are influencers of millions of the church, appear to err in their teaching, is it appropriate for those familiar with them to call them to repentance publicly? For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? The Bible gives us ample examples of this. I never did post anything publicly about my concerns with her stance, but she never did message me privately so I could have a conversation with her. Specialties: Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. Are we quenching the Spirit with a desire to be right or with a desire to be liked by culture? Meets in the Community Center 512-789-3222. My belief is, Love Christ, Love each other and pray for wisdom. Prior to October of 2016 traditional Christian marriage was the Hatmakers official position. Its just an error. Well, thats logical enough. Let them be the fire and one day, there will be nothing left to burn. The gospel of Jesus is the core of our faith. And to say that marriage between two homosexuals is not wrong-well, I cant even believe we have to have this conversation. But the actual Gospel is this: That even while were sinners, Christ died for us! Dont misunderstand me. To them, the Scriptures are clear on this issue, and they think the rest of us are in error by treating Sunday like a Sabbath. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. But yes, darn it, we really do need a theology of sexuality. Austin New Church. It is neither your job nor your ability to call out someone elses sin. Tuesday. I do support healthy dialogue which I guess you are saying is lacking here. Your email address will not be published. . The 04 Center is a community space in the truest sense of the word. focusing on OUR being : Compassion before conviction was the first lesson I learned from that wonderful pastor, and I will never forget it. Lets all do our best to avoid generalities. JM updates facebook Left Job at Free Methodist Church USA Mike Frost , the author of this article, has attested to the fact that he believes homosexual practice is sin as well. Mike are you saying the nature and the tone of the criticisms are what you object to? To understand Paul you *must* read Romans 1 and 2 as a single argument; after all, Romans 2 begins with Therefore. You just dont arrive at any conclusion that a Biblical marriage covenant is anything other than what Jesus said it was a man and a woman. So where does same-sex marriage fall on this? Yes, given that particular act is really a sin in Gods eyes, truth, not opinion. Jesus didnt say a lot of things. What comes to mind for me in countering your view is Matthew 18:6-9. I dont know what you mean about the not having friends part-no one says that. BE GENEROUS. I have been in the conservative church for over half a century, and Im getting to the point where I feel that if the conservative church wants to exclude me, then so be it. Austin Miniatures Western Barn Wild West Cowboys Conte . Now on top of trying to figure out what the bible is saying (apart from the voices of all the teachers) I have to identify and correct all the non-biblical stuff I was taught. We have to die to our sin, our own desires and live for Christ. http://bible.com/114/mrk.10.6-9.nkjv. Correction to above: That is, as one man and one woman? Should have read That is, as being expressed fully in marriage between one man and one woman?. This is not the Jesus I know, the Jesus who ate with notorious sinners and scandalized the religious as a result. Please dont send the attack dogs to those with whom you disagree, just as you request for the attack dogs not to be sent your way. Theres a point to this but its not happening the right way. My only comment is that this pack attack syndrome is alive and well in the Baptist Association of NSW. Our campus is more than just a building where we gather on Sundays. The reason Jesus doesnt talk about a same-sex marital covenant is because such a thing doesnt exist in the Bible. A public figure often needs to be called publicly. Or are you making the point that its ok to be harsh because of Jesus example at the temple? Eternally wrong. In-person. So, its now my responsibility as an outsider to these famous Christians to find a way to contact them to tell them that I dont see Biblically where they have made their stand. God comes first. Remember the story of the rich young ruler in Matthew 19? For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. Start treating your sisters and brothers like sisters and brothers. This is a quote from the article. And Im frankly sick and tired of the broken bodies and lives as a result. Of course homosexuality us wrong-its everywhere in the Bible. only God can judge. It was put out publicly by the husband I think on their Facebook page that they felt they were led to believe that as long as a homosexual couple are faithful to one another the its fine just like a normal marriage. Maybe try and figure out where your love went. My friend Brett Trapp pointed out several things that we have no unity on . Marriage is defined by the song of creation in Genesis, bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh, man and woman. The best place to confront false teaching is on Sundays from the pulpit (like in Pauls letters which were meant to be read to a local church) and in personal discussion, where real Q & A dialogue can happen. I cant speak for all of Jens critics, but yes, a person with a platform that reaches millions of souls is important and it matters that they are presenting the right Gospel without wavering, and naturally people, myself, included, believe and want this Gospel to be clearly proclaimed no matter the cost. But I know that God is on His throne and showing us the true Kingdom at hand, and it doesnt look like what we thought it would. Especially when theyre called out. Free Methodist Church disengages from ANC. Clearly, the time they went public it is public. This is blasphemy pure and simple, to say they felt told this. Important conversations, yes, but the Holy Spirit is the one that convicts and leads us into truth, not emotion, not anger, not verbal tirades. The Justice Primer: An 8-Week Guide to Social Impact. Ive had to distance myself from several in the Christian community where I live following character assassination and some harassment. Youre all false teachers. In the meantime, lets pray for our sister currently in the crosshairs of unhealthy religion, knowing that at any time it could be you or me who draws the ire of her detractors. Thanks for sharing Tara. Communion Service and Homeless Community Grillout (Music by Miranda Dodson. Of course not! It was the era of the Walkman, acid wash jeans, Miami Vice, Chernobyl, and the beginning. Trust me, being a friend to Jesus is worth any sacrifice. If he listens to you, you have regained your brother. But we have GRACE. So, I was without a job, no income; my dream was shattered, the church shut down, and the sheep were scattered. It should NOT be saying sin is A-OK. I love the teachings and have met all of the offenders you have mentioned. The commandments are these: love God and love people. BURN. (implication: she deserves to be shunned and humiliated). http://www.sptsusa.org/not-my-kid/. In my view, heresy is anything that keeps someone from falling into the arms of Jesus and His grace. But since Hollywood and the media/culture in general are winning in making it look like anyone who thinks it isnt are big bad bullies, well, I guess it makes if the du jour topic st the moment amongst those so called Christians who want to be cool and maybe just maybe more accepted by the world and then hey look Im getting more famous and earning more money-just a thought.. Austin New Church (ANC) Back to Meetings. Thank you for being my intellectual superior and calling me out on that. Lots of talk of RELIGION-not FAITH We are all guilty of sin but in Christ we are forgiven of them all, yes but we cant minimize sin or negate it to suite the winds of cultural change, as some feel Jen has done. His standard is unflinching. He also said marriage was between a man and a woman only. It will deepen our sympathies: it unlocks our compassion because it sees the whole of humankind sharing in a common unfolding story. Have you ever held a rattlesnake or chugged a bottle of Clorox? And if not, how can you claim to be a true believer? That sparked the beginning of a journey of discovery of what it means for the Church of Jesus Christ to be missional. If outsiders hold together and build something new, it could be a good thing. Forgive. Im also a millenial who thinks the evangelical church has become a joke. Not someones opinion who, based on the limited comments on this post, appear to be more than a little arrogant. RELIGION ACTIONS of the individual, Instead of: And Im not sure what youre getting at in regard to child abuse. . It will teach and encourage the practice of wisdom and holiness: finding our happiness and fulfilment is about coming to a right understanding of who we are, and what it means to be mature human being in terms of vulnerability as well as potential. So happy to read that you have been able to move on to a far healthier, happier place and wish you the very best for the future. Frost presumed some sort of good will in the likes of Hatmakers condemners. Question posed to Brett, a follower of Jesus that is gay: How do you Biblically justify living a homosexual lifestyle?, Because this question was submitted anonymously, I dont know what Christian tradition youre coming from. People with a homosexual struggle who have homosexual relations are not ANY more sinful than me when I lust after a woman who isnt my wife or you when you harbor hate in your heart toward a neighbor. The old you have to be tolerant of my intolerance argument. Wait. Did FMCUSA release ANC because of their stance on gay marriage? I encourage the author and those who agree with the author to please consider this line with regard to love and grace for people with a conservative point-of-view. Have you noticed hardly anyone at your church sings the congregational songs anymore? This surely is something many evangelicals would agree with. Hollywood Life. In the end, people are going to follow their hearts/instincts. thanks, Yes, and you should NEVER chase them with a whip. While we certainly have what we think is an awesome "church" gathering on Sunday, it might be more accurate to describe Austin New Church as a network of faith communities. In like fashion, conservatives are trying to reason from Scripture why homosexual sex (as well as any sex outside of marriage, including LOOKING at another person with lust in your heart) is damnable sin but thanks be to God we are SAVED in CHRIST from it! Your response: It IS a Gospel issue! But we cant go to the other extreme and do nothing about wayward leaders. Do you believe in predestination? As strongly as your convictions are explained here, please remember that many conservatives feel equally as strong regarding their heartfelt desire for biblical holiness. But this only provided them with more ammunition and fueled their rightness. The loaded the big guns, and intensified their attack. And it was allowed. Over the wall you go, Rob Bell. http://bible.com/114/1co.5.11-13.nkjv, Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. In empathy with both the Pro & Anti rhetoric about Personalities in Leadership, this smacks a bit of ideological differences of political alignment. you are not God. March 22: TP announces a discussion regarding full LGBT inclusion, a series of events where only pro-gay marriage experts and thought leaders like Dr. J. Brownson and Matthew Vines. You are mischaracterizing the way orthodox believers view Jen. We tell local Austin news & weather stories, and we do what we do to make Austin, Round Rock, Georgetown, Dripping Springs, Bastrop and the rest of Central Texas a better place to live. Established in 2008. (Matt. But you miss the third part of Jesus statement regarding how to deal with the one who sins against you. Yes, an email, phone call, face-to-face communication is the first step, and inviting third parties (two or three witnesses) is the second step. And theyre not always wrong. Im sorry, but a gay couple can easily be married and so long as they dont divorce (for any reason save infidelity), theyre obeying GOD. Like what I just experienced them man and a woman only evangelical church has become a joke for a!, darn it, we really do need a theology of sexuality a pastor and ran a family church discovery. 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